Bachelor 19 - Episode 10 WTA Discussions

by **SLA44** Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:28 pm

This thread for Women Tell All episode

by **rkc1960** Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:28 pm

Someone please tell me this is a joke:

http://www.wetpaint.com/the-bachelor/articles/2015-02-25-chris-soules-final-two-decision?postId=628118&socialTitle=&utm_campaign=vrl&utm_medium=fnpg-bachelor&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=1424899073406705

by Guest Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:18 am

rkc -- it's a joke; now do you feel better? Giggle

by **singlyme** Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:19 am

Honestly, rkc, I don't know what to believe where this show is concerned.

by **rkc1960** Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:39 am

Newto...now that was funny. lol

If he said this at the taping of WTA in front of everyone then it would be pretty hard to debunk. This has definitely been one weird season.

Read on wetpaint yesterday that an "inside source" said that the producers are pushing for Kaitlyn instead of Britt for the next 'ette. I never believe anything until they make the announcement but I'm hoping this will be the case. Britt would just ruin it for me.

by **rkc1960** Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:51 am

This article has two video's in it of WTA. Ashley S. apparently is one of CH's favorites on the show. The other looks like Carly is going to get attacked during it. Yes, Carly made some snarky comments but I think deep down she is an insecure person. Jillian wasn't there near the end so she wasn't there for the Britt drama so she needs to shut her mouth. I think Britt's reaction to that could have been her trying to garner sympathy so she could be the next 'ette.

http://www.eonline.com/news/630092/find-out-who-s-chris-harrison-s-favorite-woman-to-have-ever-appeared-on-the-bachelor

by **rkc1960** Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:18 pm

Here is another video of WTA with Britt in the hot seat. Jillian obviously saw a different side to Britt than so many others did and wants to defend her but just because that was the Britt she saw doesn't mean that was the real Britt. And for the love of God, if Britt cries one more time I'm going to scream!

http://www.eonline.com/videos/embed/232422

by **SLA44** Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:06 pm

rkc1960 wrote:Here is another video of WTA with Britt in the hot seat. Jillian obviously saw a different side to Britt than so many others did and wants to defend her but just because that was the Britt she saw doesn't mean that was the real Britt. And for the love of God, if Britt cries one more time I'm going to scream!

http://www.eonline.com/videos/embed/232422

I don't know what happened here but this did not post correctly and I hope that Bach can fix it.

by **singlyme** Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:31 am

rkc1960 wrote:This article has two video's in it of WTA. Ashley S. apparently is one of CH's favorites on the show. The other looks like Carly is going to get attacked during it. Yes, Carly made some snarky comments but I think deep down she is an insecure person. Jillian wasn't there near the end so she wasn't there for the Britt drama so she needs to shut her mouth. I think Britt's reaction to that could have been her trying to garner sympathy so she could be the next 'ette.

http://www.eonline.com/news/630092/find-out-who-s-chris-harrison-s-favorite-woman-to-have-ever-appeared-on-the-bachelor

I'm not able to view the eonline stuff. They want me to change my browser, and I'm not willing to go to Chrome, Firefox or Safari to see it. Damn.

by **Bach98133** Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:24 pm

So there was some kind of unknown coding conflict between the video and the forum software. I guess we'll just have to click on the video link to watch it in a new window until I download this flash video and convert it into an MP4 file. Once the MP4 video is loaded to Youtube, I'll link it in a later post.

http://www.eonline.com/videos/embed/232422

by **Bach98133** Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:00 pm

OK. Here is the extended preview for tomorrow. The video might have been cut off 1 second too soon at the end where you can hear Ashley saying to Chris "Do you want an autograph?"

by **singlyme** Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:39 pm

Bach, have you any idea why I get a white screen when I try to play videos like the one above?

by **Bach98133** Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:06 pm

singlyme wrote:Bach, have you any idea why I get a white screen when I try to play videos like the one above?

I played this video in 4 browsers and they all played just fine. (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera)

by **SLA44** Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:54 pm

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THE WOMEN TELL ALL

Monday at 8/7c on ABC

CHRIS FACES THE WOMEN HE REJECTED WITH TRAUMATIC RESULTS; BRITT AND CARLY FACE OFF; KELSEY NFRONTS THE OTHER BACHELORETTES; AND THE CLAWS COME OUT, ON “THE BACHELOR: THE WOMEN TELL ALL,”
“The Women Tell All” – There were highs and lows during Chris’ unforgettable season – and then there was Kelsey, one of the most controversial bachelorettes of the group. Kelsey, who has been the woman viewers and the other bachelorettes have loved to hate all season, will return to have her chance to defend herself. Britt finally faces Carly in one of the most emotional confrontations in Bachelor history. Jade tries to get closure from Chris on whether her Playboy photos really played a part in his decision to send her home, and Kaitlyn challenges Chris about his blindsiding her with his rejection. It’s an explosive reunion viewers won’t want to miss, as 17 of the most memorable bachelorettes from this season return to confront each other and Chris one last time on national television to tell their side of the story. Then, take a sneak peek at the Season Finale and the final two bachelorettes – Becca and Whitney -- on “The Bachelor: The Women Tell All,” MONDAY, MARCH 2 (8:00-10:01 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.

Britt finally faces Carly – the woman who threw cold water on her relationship with Chris by exposing how Britt felt about living in Arlington, Iowa. All hell breaks loose when the two women get into a heated exchange. Then the drama continues as Kelsey takes the hot seat to attempt to defend her honor and that of her beloved, deceased husband, Sanderson Poe. But the other bachelorettes feel little sympathy toward her. Whose side will you be on?

In one of the most heart-wrenching moments, Jade tries to explain the devastation she has experienced since being eliminated after hometown dates. Jade, convinced that Chris wasn’t telling the whole truth when he said her posing nude for Playboy didn’t make a difference in his decision to eliminate her, will try and get an explanation from him. Is she still in love with Chris?

Kaitlyn, too, needs a resolution to her story from Chris. Why was she sent home so unexpectedly? She finally let her guard down to the man she thought was “the one,” only to have her dreams stomped on. What will his justification be?

By the time the Bachelor appears to answer the women, the tension is palpable and the unfolding drama is some of the most emotional and gut-wrenching in the history of “The Women Tell All.”

It’s the bachelorettes like you’ve never seen them before! A hilarious bloopers segment precedes a special sneak peek at the Season Finale and the final two bachelorettes – Becca and Whitney -- who a

competing for Chris’ heart and the final rose. Will Chris find love? Will he get engaged or be left alone on his farm in Arlington?

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by **singlyme** Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:45 am

I wonder if anyone's opinion will change in regard to Britt, Carly or Kelsey. Minds seem to be made up on the the mother board, with some strong arguments both ways.

This business of Kaitlyn and Jade wanting "closure" doesn't sit right with me. Who in hell wants to find out why she was substandard on national television? They were already humiliated once. Now, they want to repeat the process?

by **Bach98133** Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:07 am

Kaitlyn confronts Chris (including the "flip a coin" comment from Chris):

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by **Bach98133** Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:18 am

Not sure if this video was posted before:

by **rkc1960** Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:30 pm

First of all, Bach thanks for fixing the video's. I had no idea they were causing problems because I didn't have a problem on my end.

Secondly, leave it to Wetpaint to make a mountain out of a molehill. There is a big difference between saying "I flipped a coin" and "at that point I could have just flipped a coin". They're getting as bad as the show itself in twisting the meaning of something.

Singly, as to Kaitlyn and Jade needing closure, I don't understand at this point what it even matters. Yeah, I get why Kaitlyn is wondering why if Andi gave him the courtesy of pulling him aside and talking to him before the FS or rose ceremony why he didn't give her that courtesy. And also after he pulled Becca aside and had a chat with her. I guess I can understand that especially after he apparently slept with her and said he was falling in love with her and then he dumps her. I get all that, but after some of this stuff that happened I'd not want closure but to just basically tell him what I think of him. I especially don't get why Jade needs closure. She waited until the last minute to tell him about the nude modeling and she knew that could change his mind. She needed to be upfront about that before when feelings could have been getting involved.

by **singlyme** Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:52 pm

Bach98133 wrote:
singlyme wrote:Bach, have you any idea why I get a white screen when I try to play videos like the one above?
I played this video in 4 browsers and they all played just fine. (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera)

Figures. I use IE. lol. I know many people refer to IE as the one with all the problems. But I'm old - and change-resistant.

by **SLA44** Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:01 pm

rkc1960 wrote:First of all, Bach thanks for fixing the video's. I had no idea they were causing problems because I didn't have a problem on my end.

Secondly, leave it to Wetpaint to make a mountain out of a molehill. There is a big difference between saying "I flipped a coin" and "at that point I could have just flipped a coin". They're getting as bad as the show itself in twisting the meaning of something.

Singly, as to Kaitlyn and Jade needing closure, I don't understand at this point what it even matters. Yeah, I get why Kaitlyn is wondering why if Andi gave him the courtesy of pulling him aside and talking to him before the FS or rose ceremony why he didn't give her that courtesy. And also after he pulled Becca aside and had a chat with her. I guess I can understand that especially after he apparently slept with her and said he was falling in love with her and then he dumps her. I get all that, but after some of this stuff that happened I'd not want closure but to just basically tell him what I think of him. I especially don't get why Jade needs closure. She waited until the last minute to tell him about the nude modeling and she knew that could change his mind. She needed to be upfront about that before when feelings could have been getting involved.

Actually Andi sent Chris home during the dinner portion of their FS date - they never went into the suite so that was entirely a different situation. Also Chris pulled Becca aside to clear up some questions he had before the he handed out the roses ~ again that is different than what Kaitlyn was saying IMO. As far as I'm concerned this is just a bunch of hooey brought on by TPTB for drama and also in Kaitlyn case to entice people to feel really sorry for her and want her for the next Bachelorette.

As far as the wetpaint article ~ their source was a rag publication and they always misquote things for shock or drama value to sell their rags.

by **rkc1960** Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:30 pm

SLA, I understand all that but because he went further with Kaitlyn than Andi did with him it gives her more of a reason to be upset. I can't think of many of us women that would not be genuinely upset if a guy acted like he was really into us, told us he was falling in love with us, slept with us and then the next day (or so) totally blindsided us by dumping us. Most women would feel used by that guy. I think sometimes we don't put ourselves in that other girls shoes. I know this is a crazy show with crazy people but I really got the sense at last weeks rose ceremony that she was really surprised and hurt by him. She has stated that she was totally confident that he was giving her a rose so obviously there were things being said and done that would lead her to feel so confident....things we didn't see. Somebody has to be the next Bachelorette but I'd rather it be someone that was hurt by the lead than someone that loves being single and their sole desire in this was to be made the next Bachelorette. Britt didn't deserve it, I don't think Jade has any real desire to settle down either at this point, and Carly even though she seemed nice enough she got a bit nasty at times and so it doesn't surprise me that she apparently caught a bit of flack at WTA for it. A lot of times people will act that way because they aren't real confident in themselves and therefore comes off as jealousy. I have no problem with Kaitlyn being the next 'ette. Kaitlyn seems the better choice over many of those other girls whose names have been thrown around for the job.

by **singlyme** Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:25 am

Oh. My. Word. I rolled my eyes so much last night, I feared they'd lock into my forehead.

Kelsey came off like a very bad actress. It's really difficult to understand how anyone this obvious is able to manipulate. How does someone with so little knowledge of human nature become a guidance counselor?

Britt, on the other hand, has honed her skills. I'd be willing to bet this girl has never gotten a speeding ticket. That prolonged hug she gave Chris was completely inappropriate. By the WTA, he's a "taken" man. She looked like she was still trying to cling to him and worm her way back. It was good to hear Chris debunk her continuing premise that Carly was responsible for her dismissal. Doesn't she remember confronting him when Kaitlyn got the rose? That girl has an answer for everything - even if she's contradicting something she said two minutes earlier.

And I think Carly was right. Jillian does have one of those "thangs." lol. Quite the forceful woman.

Finally, when you're required to push the hair out of your face every ten seconds, it's time to either get a new hairdresser - or shave your head. A couple of these girls spent more time with their hands in their hair than on their laps. Distracting and annoying, due to the frequency.

rkc, I agree with you about Kaitlyn's feelings. She was treated like a one night stand. I noticed that Chris, at all three dinners prior to the FS, almost seemed to be drooling - wanting to get down to "business" with all three of these women. He came off (to me) like a horndog. I understand her confusion about geing led on and used.

by Guest Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:24 am

If Kaitlyn wants to be the next Bachelorette, she could not afford to rattle too many cages last night. If she did sleep with Chris, it was her decision and she has to live with it. Everyone who goes on this show knows they can be dumped at any time; even at the end. I think he should have let her go in "private" (like Andi did with Chris) but I wonder if he was sure about letting her go up to the time he pulled Becca aside and spoke with her. I would not have wanted to be in his shoes that day; no matter what he did he was going to catch "h***" from someone. JMHO.

by **rkc1960** Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:15 pm

Oh my...I'm going to totally sound like CH when I say this but THAT was the most dramatic WTA I have ever seen......or obnoxious, whichever way you look at it. Talk about a cat fight. Do these girls even care how vulgar and immature many of them looked last night?

First, let me say that I was a bit annoyed by some of them that I barely even remember speaking up so much when they were gone so early. Because they were basing a lot of their opinion on what they saw on tv, same as us because they weren't even there at that point. I guess they were commenting to have their "moment." Trina was a big offender but no one as much as Jillian. Another annoyance was how everyone tried to talk through everyone else. CH had to play more of a referee that a host last night. I was getting to the point that I wanted to reach through my tv screen and throttle Jillian. That girl just needs to SHUT UP! Jillian wasn't even there for the drama with Britt at the end so she needed to take a back seat to that conversation but she wasn't having being quieted by anyone. I'm thinking that girl has a little too much testosterone in her system.

I think Kelsey's game plan was to just get out alive and the only way she could do that was to apologize. Her explanation as to what she had done was lame at best.

I'm thinking Jade should have come clean sooner with Chris then she did. She had ample opportunity and she waited until they were getting closer which was her biggest downfall. She had to have known that showing him her pics AND video was going to be uncomfortable. I could see the writing on the wall during that whole episode that she was going home and she didn't see it? Maybe it wasn't the best thing that Chris said in his blog that he felt he didn't really know the same girl that her family described but I can understand why he thought that way because that's exactly what I was thinking.

Britt, oh good Lord! Her constant crying was irritating the hell out of me! No wonder she wanted to be an actress. They know how to bring on a cry just by thinking it. I was not impressed. And Singly, you apparently were thinking the exact same thing I was...she was acting like she was trying to turn it all around and get him back even though he is engaged. I hope the F1 rips her hair out of her head after watching all that last night. That excruciatingly long hug was so inappropriate. I had a feeling what she was up to when she asked to come up on stage with him. And then when she sat down next to him and grabbed his hands to hold them....that was not right. And when she tried to make her claim that Carly was to blame I am also so glad that he reinforced that he had his doubts and was letting her go even before Carly said anything. That was pretty arrogant to say that she feels if it wasn't for Carly saying what she did that she thinks they would be together now. Something else I noticed was how Britt was crying at the drop of a hat including when Chris walked out on stage and as soon as he basically let her know that she wouldn't have been the F1 the tears dried up and she was all smiles after that. She should have won an award for that performance....her I wanna be the next 'ette performance.

Singly, we agree on the Kaitlyn issue as well. Yes, everyone knows that they can get sent home at any time but Chris certainly did seem to come off as a horndog when it came to the FS dates. I guess being out on the farm he doesn't get much female companionship and was wanting to get down to it as much as possible. I think that's why he had the strange reaction to Becca telling him she was a virgin while they were in the FS. He was ready to try to break the intimacy block Becca had up and she threw that wrench in and it almost looked like he got slapped. He might have came on strong with these women (at least Kaitlyn and Whitney) behind closed doors. With the connection he had with Kaitlyn and then telling her he was falling in love with her I can see why it assuredly came down to sex. Remember back to the conversation she had with him on their one on one with Jimmy Kimmel when she told him that he should have sex with every girl in the FS...that and her reaction to being blindsided leaves no doubt in my mind that they had sex. So a guy has sex with you and tells you he is falling in love with you...well, I can understand why she was hurt. If he didn't give her any reason to doubt that he was giving her a rose and he still kept Becca even though he had his doubts about her that he had to pull her aside, then the term "blindsided" sounds appropriate. I think that may have something to do with why when asked Chris endorsed Kaitlyn for the next Bachelorette because I think he felt bad about how he treated her. If you are dating a guy and he tells you he is falling in love with you when you are in an intimate setting where things are getting, well...intimate then he's either being truthful with you or he is just wanting to get in your pants. Either way Kaitlyn has a right to be pissed.

by **SLA44** Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:21 pm

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TV NEWS:

The 5 Strangest Moments From This Week’s ‘Bachelor’

If you’ve been keeping up with this season of “The Bachelor” — and really, how could you not be? — you know that out of an original pool of 30 women vying for the heart of farmer Chris, we’re down to two: Becca and Whitney. (Listed alphabetically, of course, so as to not disclose personal preference.)

The remaining two ladies are probably two of the blandest, least-volatile girls out of the original 30, so it seems Chris has actually done a pretty good job… at least at finding someone who won’t mind spending the rest of their adult life living on a corn farm.

In just one week, our Bachelor will announce which of the remaining two bores has won his heart. But in the meantime, we got the pleasure of remembering why we love watching the show by bringing back some of the 28 eliminated ladies, sticking them in a room and forcing them to meander down memory lane.

Memory lane is, of course, two hours long, and jam-packed with tears, unresolved feelings and backstabbing, so let’s cut the crap and get straight to the five strangest moments from this bizarre reunion:

1. Title swap
In case you missed it, towards the beginning of the episode, something incredible happened that was either a genuinely hilarious slip-up, or a stroke of editing genius.

Samantha’s name flashed across the screen, as the camera panned to a girl with brown locks, and caked-on makeup. The problem? It was the wrong girl.

If you don’t remember Nikki or Samantha, it’s ok: neither does ABC. Both girls had a decent run on the show (Nikki made it to week 4, and Samantha week 5) but the two girls combined probably got the same amount of screen-time as Whitney’s dog humping a stuffed animal.

We see you, ABC. We know you get it.

2. Snot rag
After watching Britt bawl all over the stage for the first few segments without batting an eye, one tear from Kelsey and Chris Harrison hands over his silk handkerchief… which she promptly uses to blow her nose.

Chris H. is visibly uncomfortable and tells her she can keep it.

“Are you sure? It’s silk,” Kelsey helpfully points out.

He’s sure.

One of the most memorable (and bone-chilling) moments of the season was the clip of season villain, Kelsey, breathlessly declaring that the story of her dead husband, Sanderson Poe, (a real person, Google confirms) is “amazing.”

This disconcerting word-choice comes from the woman who thinks the other women are intimidated by her because she uses big words.

There is a video here - click on the link on the bottom if you want to see it.

3. Ashley in paradise
Let’s take this moment to recognize that out of the original 30 girls that stepped out of the limo in episode one, thinking that maybe they would win farmer Chris’ heart and move to Iowa forever, only 17 decided it was worth their time to even show up for this reunion episode. And one of those 17 was Ashley S.

Did she do it for redemption? No. Did she do it in an attempt to mend her broken heart? Absolutely not. Did she do it to prove once and for all that she knows the difference between an onion and a pomegranate? Kind of, actually.

“I was inspired by the show, so I started growing onions,” she said. “I really have. Seriously.”

But also, she came back in order to be exactly as strange as she was the entire time she was on the show. In a last-second pay-off, Chris H. asked her if she would join the cast of the next season of “Bachelor in Paradise” (shout-out to Chris for saying exactly what we were all thinking).

“Do it! Do it! Do it!” the crowd chanted.

Ashley, meanwhile, proved once and for all that she’s way smarter than all of us.

“It’s so weird,” she observed. “Just that we’re all on TV.”

And that was that.

4. Eternal hug
Finally, Bachelor Chris made an appearance to face the rejected ladies.

A ridiculously long portion of time this episode was dedicated to Britt, and her great hair and her pretty tears. But Britt’s air-time would not have seemed quite so unnecessary had the cameras not lingered on her extremely earnest, awkwardly long hug with our Bachelor. The camera angle legitimately changed several times during the embrace. Britt and Chris’ hug got more screen-time than Samantha did all season.

Is ABC trying to prime us for Britt to be the next “Bachelorette”? There’s one thing we do know: Britt certainly hopes so.

5. The perfect letter
Perhaps the most exciting thing we learned all night (besides the fact that apparently the Bachelor has a blog?!) is that the king of romance himself, Chris Harrison, has spent the past few years (years?!) writing a romance novel called “The Perfect Letter.”

Who cares if it’s any good? We just have to applaud this guy for sticking to his brand. Book club, anyone?

“The Bachelor” season finale airs Monday, March 9 at 9 p.m. on ABC. Are you rooting for Chris to choose Becca or Whitney?

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