Episode 5 Discussions

I fell asleep in the middle of the group date.  I'll have to check later if my VCR was working properly, recorded it, and watch the rest.  I was kind of surprised they aired footage about Marquel (sp?) and the name-calling (Blackie).

1/1 with Josh:  I'm just not buying what he says.  Some lines seem rehearsed and he makes me wonder how many women have heard the same song.

Group date:  A couple of the guys were really enjoying the mime shtick.  On the other hand, we got to see Nick pout because mommy was paying attention to the other kids.  He gave the impression he would be jealous and possessive in a relationship.  Quiet and brooding until he got you home.

1/1 with Brian:  I think he was afraid of looking like a complete incompetent in the kitchen.  And I appreciate that he's tentative in his approach.  She certainly gave him the green light when they were at the bistro(?).  I think he's too nice for her.

JJ's revelation:  An arsonist innocently watching the fire he started?  What's up with this guy?  I initially liked his comedic style, but he's looking more and more like an MF plant - a pot-stirrer to get the drama going.

I felt so sorry for Marquel.  But the drama gave rise to question.  I've never heard the term "Blackie."  I have, however, many times heard the term "Whitey" used in a derogatory way.  The difference in this case is that it was directed to a single black male - a nice guy.  But why should there be any double-standard at all?  If Blackie is bad and the "n" word is bad, then why is Whitey okay?  When "Whitey" is used, it's often directed to the white race as if we all belong to the KKK.

I didn't feel sorry that Marquel went home.  I was sad that he felt there was racism directed at him.  He seemed genuinely hurt.

I agree with what you ladies are saying. I'm having a hard time buying into Josh's sincerity. Five years without dating? And then...BAM...after a few weeks of sharing dates with other guys he is falling for her?


Nick was being a baby on the group date. Be a good sport and participate even if you don't like the activity or sharing time with other men. I can't believe that he really feels he is a front runner and is letting the other guys know he feels this way. And btw, these contestants using the term "frontrunner" in the first place in my opinion is proving how they are looking at this as a competition instead of a search for a mate. That poem he pulled out was lame if you ask me. First the flowers being delivered during a cocktail party in front of the other guys and now this. I did have to laugh when after finishing reading it he looked at her and she had that "I'm not impressed" look on her face...but then she said she was waiting for a kiss and then after a brief make out session she was all smiles again. That's something else that bugs me about her. She seems all skeptical about these guys and their intentions and then once they kiss her she is all smiles and buying into their crap. She did the same thing on her date with Josh. Is she really this naive or is it a smoke screen? 

Thought the date with Brian was odd. Don't most men at some point in their adult life learn how to do SOMETHING in the kitchen? As much as I don't particularly like Andi I did think she had a point when she said that there are all kinds of ways that a man can make helping in the kitchen a romantic occasion. So what, you're not in your comfort zone....use it to your advantage anyway, especially when a relationship is new and you're trying to impress someone. Then they give up and go to a restaurant. She has these doubts and then he kisses her and once again, all is well with the world.


I too liked JJ at first but this childish game of tattletale is getting annoying. I can see guys saying something about Andrew getting a girls number and him bragging about it while he is trying to win over a girl on a show BUT what was the necessity of telling one of the other guys that Andrew referred to him and another guy as "blackies"? Just started to seem like he was targeting him out of dislike. The analogy Singly used about the arsonist is so true. The look on his face when Marquel was talking to Andrew about it looked so intense. Now that he got his way and Andrew is gone, hopefully now he will stop this nonsense. It's really unappealing. I also agree with Singly on what she said about a double standard. Why is it that when any term that is deemed offensive to black people is used there is a big uproar over it but it is supposed to be perfectly fine when offensive terms are used towards white people?

I haven't ventured over to the other board this season and therefore haven't seen anyone say anything about Marquel being the next Bachelor. It won't happen for a couple of reasons. They usually pull from the final contestants  standing. They didn't do that with Juan Pablo. They went with him based on popularity with women and look at what a disaster that was. Also, they do throw in the token black contestants but I still don't think avid fans of this show are ready to watch a black season. I know that sounds racist and it's not intended to be....it's just the way it is. 

 Good posting rkc and IA with what you are saying.  I haven't been over to the ABC board either but have seen those comments about Marquel being the next bachelor on another board.  Myself, I'm not in favor of it and would not watch the season just as I did not watch Juan Pablo's.  I believe people are blaming his elimination on the comment JJ said that Andrew made and Marquel approaching Andrew about it.  That is not why Marquel was let go - it was because there was no connection or chemistry that Andi felt where he was concerned.  People need to get real and step back before all this outcry for Marquel to be the next bachelor.  What was so outstanding about him?  I just didn't see it myself.  Why is it so important that they have a black lead anyway?  I can see that ending up in the same low ratings as Juan Pablo and they might as well just end the franchise.


I really hope that JJ goes home this next episode, there is something not right with that guy IMO.

I agree, rkc.  I'm not ready for a black bach.  In order for me to become involved, I have to be able to identify with the players.  I wouldn't watch a gay bach or ette, either - simply because I don't ride that train.  While I think gays should have rights, I find watching the same sex kiss and make out to be repugnant.

I kind of sympathized with Brian for the reason that it was frog legs.  Why cook something you have no desire to eat?  Amputated legs? * shudder *

I'm wondering if it's just that the whole premise has grown stale with nowhere else to go.  So many viewers came into this with an aversion to Andi and hoped she could win them over.  She's failed.

We're wiser now.  The editing and manipulation have pretty much ruined my enchantment with the process.  It seems more now to be a few men sitting around a conference table, deciding what America wants to see.  They failed.

There's simply not enough meaningful footage.