Episode: Identity

by **singlyme** Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:35 am

Oh, what a tangled web!

So glad Nolan got some peace after exposing The Falcon. I'm hoping it's the end of the Initiative for the show. BUT, the Carrion program is still out there floating around.

Otherwise: Jack still stupid and naive, Ashley still double-dealing and self-serving - OR is she getting back on the inside with Conrad as a double agent working for Jack?

It looks as if Charlotte is about to embark, once again, on the ultra-stupid train in hanging with a girl who's obviously out for some revenge of her own. She may be the other death that was promised this season. The new wild life could very well see her back on drugs. OD in the future? Or by morning? Did she make the news or the Internet with that girl-on-girl kiss? Declan should go away to college and be gone.

And Takeda is back? He's not too happy with Aiden's mellowed attitude about revenge. Yet..when it came down to it, Aiden put Daniel's ring on Em's finger. ??? What did Takeda say to him?

Now Vic wants to find her first-born. It's the first we knew that she didn't give him up from her hospital bed, but actually gave him up after six months so she could go to Paris. Some heart, huh?

by **singlyme** Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:24 am

I wish more people were commenting on the show. I visit the ABC board out of desperation for some speculation. This week, the entire episode thread has poofed! I'm thinking of inviting my cohorts over here to post on this thread. It will at least be dependable.

by Castlejoy Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:56 am

First, thanks for referring everyone to this board, Singly. I don't know what's up with the other one. The Castle board has the same disappearing threads problem. There will be hundreds of comments being made for a week on a thread, then poof, that thread is suddenly gone. So fans start a new thread about the same topic and later the original thread sometimes reappears. So then both are used for the same topic. Confusing. On the Revenge board, looks like they'd be grateful for the few fans that are posting there and leave the threads alone.

About Identity...I think you're right, Singly, that Charlotte might OD and end up being the upcoming death that's been mentioned. Victoria made a comment sometime ago about burying a child being so tragic. That may have been foreshadowing of what's to come. The Jack/Ashley alliance is mystifying to me. She's certainly not been loyal to others in the past and, if it served her purposes, she'd turn on Jack without hesitation. The conversation that Aiden had with Takeda was sure to anger Takeda and the promo for the next episode indicates that's exactly what happened. Let me add here that Takeda's reappearance reminded me how much I preferred the other actor who played that role. I wonder if Victoria's interest in Nolan finding her other son is just curiosity of her wondering how his life turned out, or if she wants to be involved with his life.

On a related topic, I was surpised that show creator Mike Kelley is leaving. After all, Revenge is his baby. Makes me wonder if the network listened to fans complaints...convoluted plotlines, mumbled dialogue, loud music, etc....and decided that a new leader was required in order for the show to have a future. Kelley did a wonderful job in getting this show started, but creating success and maintaining success are two different things. Of course, the erratic schedule of when the show is or isn't being aired has hurt Revenge, so all the problems are not of Kelley's making. I do hope there is a season three. It's a great show with interesting characters and a terrific cast.

by **singlyme** Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:43 am

Welcome, castlejoy!!! So glad you got over the bridge before they poof my post. I sometimes wonder if there's a monitor at all on the new boards.

I've said before that I think Revenge was meant for one season. They had their whole lives to write it. When it came to season two, they were lost and reached too far from the core we'd grown accustomed to.

I'm thinking Ashley may be acting as a double agent for Jack. At first, I was shuddering at the idea of his trusting her. Now, I think she really likes him and went back to Conrad to get inside info.

Particularly after his conversation with Takeda, I was astounded that Aiden put Daniel's ring on Em's finger and told her to go for it. He'll never be able to deal with it, knowing she's sleeping with him. And I agree about this Takeda. He needs either monk's robes - or should be sitting in the smoky back room of a Chinese drug-dealing restaurant.

Have you noticed Daniel's leaner face? He seems much more attractive of late.

by miecies Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:47 pm

The last scenes of the show were some of the best ones of the episode.

Conrad & Ashley: I thought he was about to throw her phone and her in the fire. LOL!

Jack & Declan: Felt bad for Declan. Like the brothers banding together and shutting everyone else out. And yes The Graysons are a trainwreck and that includes Charlotte.

Nolan & Victoria: Nice combo. This was the 2nd time in the episode I felt a bit of sympathy for her. (The 1st time was when she was exposed during that interview. Madeline's acting in that scene was spot on as a shamed woman.) The woman loves her children, I'm convinced of that. But heck animals love theirs also yet some still eat their young.

Emily & Aiden: This man is a trooper! Loved that he basically proposed to Emily with Daniel's ring and she let him. Emily & Aiden are cold-hearted and I approve. But things will not end well now that Aiden has defied Takeda.

Everything related to the Fa1c0n and taking her down was a bust. Those scenes w/Emily & Nolan issuing the challenge and then at the arcade were cringe-worthy. The dialogue was clunky and just all around embarrassing.

Thanks singly

by miecies Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:59 pm

singlyme wrote:I've said before that I think Revenge was meant for one season. They had their whole lives to write it. When it came to season two, they were lost and reached too far from the core we'd grown accustomed to.

ICAM! The worst thing to happen to this show was success.

And I agree about this Takeda. He needs either monk's robes - or should be sitting in the smoky back room of a Chinese drug-dealing restaurant.

You are wrong!!! I can't even look at this Takeda without hearing chants in my head.

by **singlyme** Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:25 pm

Glad you made it, mieces!!! Now, we can have conversations without ABC "losing" our comments. Smile

This is a fun place to chat. And I agree about the arcade challenge. However, I feel no sympathy for Vic. All of her decisions have been made to further herself or her selfish desires. Even Daniel's happiness doesn't matter to her.

by miecies Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:02 pm

singlyme wrote:However, I feel no sympathy for Vic. All of her decisions have been made to further herself or her selfish desires. Even Daniel's happiness doesn't matter to her.

For sure, so imagine my surprise when I felt a little pity coming over me for that woman.

Particularly after his conversation with Takeda, I was astounded that Aiden put Daniel's ring on Em's finger and told her to go for it. He'll never be able to deal with it, knowing she's sleeping with him.

Well she's already sleeping w/Daniel and he knows hence his comment about hating it but wondering shouldn't she have been with Daniel. I really hate that they have Emily sleeping with Daniel while still with Aiden behind the scenes. She woke up that morning showering at Daniel's and ended it de-robing Aiden. They taken great pains to keep her "clean" so to speak and this just kind of put her on the side of hooking herself. Because this thing w/Daniel is faux all the way this season. Half the time she's w/Daniel her disdain for him is just barely below the surface. I almost feel sorry for him.

by **singlyme** Wed May 01, 2013 7:30 am

The writers DO seem to be trying to bring Daniel up from the distasteful character he's been until recently. Now, he wants to be a straight arrow, is disgusted by the antics of his parents, and has become the responsible businessman. I'm probably wrong, but there's some underlying "something" in the way the actor is playing the role that makes me think he's hiding something.

As much as Em hides her disdain, it's almost as if Daniel is "onto" her. As I said, I'm probably wrong, but I can't help finding it in the actor's portrayal. Perhaps he's just not the same "gushy puppy" he was when he fell for her last season. He HAS matured.

And I know what you mean about her sleeping with both of them. To put it quaintly, it's "icky." lol.

BTW, I just watched an old 2002 Special Victims rerun yesterday. The Declan actor (I don't know anyone's real name) played a sociopathic 12-yr old. He was really good. Shame he has such a lousy part in this show. Can't stand him.

by BlueMoon Wed May 01, 2013 3:33 pm

Hey, Miecies and Singly and Castlejoy,
It's Sass. I made it! I'm here! I changed my name, though. I'm now BlueMoon. Looking forward to chatting with you all on this board. Smile

I just noticed that Miecies' last post to me (and that entire thread) is now missing from the Revenge board.(: What's up with these people?(:

by grace8136 Wed May 01, 2013 4:57 pm

BlueMoon wrote:Hey, Miecies and Singly and Castlejoy,
It's Sass. I made it! I'm here! I changed my name, though. I'm now BlueMoon. Looking forward to chatting with you all on this board. I just noticed that Miecies' last post to me (and that entire thread) is now missing from the Revenge board.(: What's up with these people?(:

BlueMoon- Sass.

by **victorian3** Wed May 01, 2013 5:21 pm

singlyme wrote:I wish more people were commenting on the show. I visit the ABC board out of desperation for some speculation. This week, the entire episode thread has poofed! I'm thinking of inviting my cohorts over here to post on this thread. It will at least be dependable.

Sorry, singly, for not posting here. I watch the show, have watched every epi, (one must do that especially this season).. but I am confused half the time. Last year I loved the show. This season I have to think too hard to figure it out...mainly the Initiative part and the falcon and Takeda (and YES, I much preferred the other actor) Sunday I wasn't feeling that well, and got lost again.
Actually, now that you have two new people to post with, I can read your posts and have it all explained to me

by BlueMoon Wed May 01, 2013 6:05 pm

Hello, Grace8136,
I love it! Smile

So cute!

Bear with me as I am learning this new board. Smile

by BlueMoon Wed May 01, 2013 6:18 pm

I can't believe Mike Kelley is leaving, either. But, like Castlejoy, I have been wondering if it had something to do with all of the complaints about the scheduling, etc. At any rate, now I think they really need to do something about the writing and the transitions from scene-to-scene. For example, the last scene with Emily visiting with the nun, and then, in the next episode, we go right to Victoria sending her son away.
Even so, I really love this show, and I am thinking about getting the DVDs . . . I can't believe the season is almost over . . .
I think Victoria just wants to find her long-lost son so she can manipulate him, too. She's offering Nolan a mighty big reward for finding him - and it's not like she's consulted anyone else on this. If I were Nolan, I wouldn't trust her.
It could be that Aiden will be the upcoming death. I think either his or Charlotte's death would affect Emily and it all depends upon the context surrounding everything that happens, too. I'm sure we're in for a surprise.

by miecies Wed May 01, 2013 6:23 pm

Welcome sass,

It could be that Aiden will be the upcoming death.

I think he's safe unless there's more than one death coming up.

Highlight to see spoiler:

Spoiler: It has been confirmed in numerous interviews that it will be one of the main characters that's been with the show from the beginning.

I think Victoria just wants to find her long-lost son so she can manipulate him, too.

Knowing what we know about Vicky, one would think it's all about manipulation but Madeline is playing it so vulnerable I don't believe her intentions are evil.

by miecies Wed May 01, 2013 6:52 pm

BlueMoon wrote:Hey, Miecies and Singly and Castlejoy,
It's Sass. I made it! I'm here! I changed my name, though. I'm now BlueMoon. Looking forward to chatting with you all on this board. I just noticed that Miecies' last post to me (and that entire thread) is now missing from the Revenge board.(: What's up with these people?(:

I have been removed completely from that board. My posts and singly's posts have been removed from threads still present. Whatever.

by **singlyme** Wed May 01, 2013 7:14 pm

Welcome sassy Blue Moon!!!! Glad you identified yourself. I'm not surprised we got zapped from the ABC board. They don't like anyone guiding people away. But look how long it took them to find the posts! Too bad we didn't get to mitzeroo before the thread disappeared. Shall we mourn our banishment? I'm happy. You?

If anyone you alluded to has to go, I'd rather it were Charlotte, I suppose. Just wish she could take Declan with her. lol. And miecies - what a terrific way to post spoilers!!

Vic, I'm happy to hear that you watch, too. Your speculation would be most welcome here. The more the merrier. We dig pretty deep on character analysis and predictions. Mine are often way off base - like my undying suspicion that Amanda didn't die. lol.

by miecies Wed May 01, 2013 8:15 pm

singlyme wrote:Vic, I'm happy to hear that you watch, too. Your speculation would be most welcome here. The more the merrier. We dig pretty deep on character analysis and predictions. Mine are often way off base - like my undying suspicion that Amanda didn't die. lol.

Yes Vic please join us.

singly, i just thought of something. oh crap!

Highlight to see text:
from an interview with Gabriel Mann Finale Spoilers “[Fans] can expect everything that they’ve loved about this series from the pilot episode onward condensed into the space of four episodes,” he confirms. “I know I tend to be endlessly enthusiastic about the show but even I could not have predicted some of the things that they’ve come up with. There’s a reveal in the finale that is so incredible that it honestly blew my mind. It really goes so far as to turn one of our main characters into what I would consider the antichrist – and certainly the most formidable villain that any of us has encountered. This reveal is such a bombshell it wraps up a whole year’s worth of story and takes it to another level. I’m still in shock. I thought it was such a genius piece of writing and I never would have expected it. This one’s the big one. This is a reveal like we haven’t quite seen yet.”

by BlueMoon Wed May 01, 2013 9:55 pm

Hey, Singly! Smile

Yeh, look how long it took them to find the posts! Remember how it said on the Sticky Boards that if you asked, they would answer. I saw very, very few answers. Sleeping! . . . That's what they were doing!
I remember Mitz saying Dancing could contact her at yahoo. I wish the two of them could join us, too.
I like this board a lot better. It one board for lots of different shows. Smile

I just have to get used to the new format.

by BlueMoon Wed May 01, 2013 9:57 pm

Hi, Miecies! Smile

Great way to do spoilers! Smile

I think you're right about who will be the casualty.
Your other spoiler alert has got me to thinking . . . I can't wait for that episode! Smile

Of course, then, I will be going through Revenge withdrawal again . . . Smile

by Castlejoy Thu May 02, 2013 3:03 am

Singly, we're so glad that you prompted everyone to join this board. How refreshing to post messages, return the next day and discover that what we wrote is still there.

About the upcoming death...tvline interviewed Mike Kelley who said it'll be “one of the nine characters that we began the show with” so that rules out Aiden. I enjoy his chemistry with Emily and that he has the strength and ability to be of real help to her.

About Victoria's offer to Nolan to regain full control of his company in exchange for locating her firstborn, wouldn't she have to get Daniel to convince the majority of his board of directors to agree to Nolan regaining control?

by **singlyme** Thu May 02, 2013 6:51 am

I'm just happy we're able to carry on a lucid conversation. I'm SO glad you guys made it. I only regret we weren't able to pull dancing and mitz with us. Apparently, I've been wiped from the ABC boards completely. My fingers have been properly slapped.

I say we take a vote on spoilers. If they're promos like the Gabriel Mann interview, I don't really consider them spoilers - more of a tease. I'm all for being able to discuss them openly. It's still speculation - not an RS reveal, right?

Until we get a vote, I'll veil my sentiments. Gabe says it's something "incredible." I hope it's "believable."

And please check out the other threads within this friendly neighborhood.

by miecies Thu May 02, 2013 9:56 am

Castlejoy wrote:About the upcoming death...tvline interviewed Mike Kelley who said it'll be “one of the nine characters that we began the show with” so that rules out Aiden. I enjoy his chemistry with Emily and that he has the strength and ability to be of real help to her.

So do I. And I enjoy that their relationship isn't easy but they both seem to want it. Aiden is hot-headed and vulnerable with her but still backs her up and supports her decisions. Emily in turn looks to him for confirmation of her actions and looks pained when he doesn't agree but still consents. They're a mess but honest with each other among all the deception and lying.

About Victoria's offer to Nolan to regain full control of his company in exchange for locating her firstborn, wouldn't she have to get Daniel to convince the majority of his board of directors to agree to Nolan regaining control?

Daniel is no match for his mother. Least we forget Daniel is where he is because of behind the back dealings. Takeda Industries, CEO Grayson Global, Nolcorp, Stonehaven were all acquired through someone else's subterfuge, not his own. If Nolan comes through for Victoria you best believe Nolan will be collecting and Victoria will pay and there will be nothing Daniel can do to stop it.

re: spoilers I created a sneak peak, spoiler, interview thread so we can keep the episode threads free of spoiler discussion.

by **singlyme** Thu May 02, 2013 9:58 am

Well, someone needs to vote on whether or not we can discuss the above spoiler!

by **victorian3** Thu May 02, 2013 10:13 am

singlyme wrote:Well, someone needs to vote on whether or not we can discuss the above spoiler!

I vote NO!!! NO NO NO NO
I hate spoilers and don't like to know anything. Now I know who will probably die. Luckily the spoiler was in white and I averted my eyes (said in southern accent) but most of you seem to have figured out more than I have as I have been a bit lost this season. Feel stupid about it too. Is my mental capacity no greater than watching a Bachelor show?
Put Spoilers in a spoiler
thread. Start one for each show when there is a spoiler. Label it clearly the way that I do for the DWTS thread. Thanks.

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