Show should be renamed Bachelor in Purgatory -- never seen so much desperation

by Grammarianna Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:03 am

These people are not in Paradise; they're in a horrible kind of dating purgatory. It's like they never quite got to Paradise and they're desperately waiting for it.

In fact, I've never seen quite so much desperation as this season.

Ashley I. continually whining about guys never liking her back (no duh; she's a mess) and I daresay she has forever sealed her single status. Who would date her now, after seeing how emotionally stunted and volatile she is? When Jared finally kissed her, she giggled like a teenager, then brought up Kaitlyn (which almost killed any vaguely amorous mood Jared might have been in), followed by the admonishment, "It's about time -- I've been waiting SO long for this!" (never a good thing for a woman to admit, especially not one like Ashley, who has been chasing Jared in an adolescent, weird creeper way.

Clare coming back for the third time "to find love" on a TV show, so desperate that she takes Jared's nice guy demeanor for passion, and then is in tears when he puts her in the friend zone. (By the way, his comment about her being 8 years older than he is, but "still looking good" was a bit off-putting -- she is hardly going to lose her looks at 34!)

Juelia ignoring the warning signs from Joe (not to mention ignoring what Jonathan and Mikey tried to tell her about Joe). And how on earth did Joe get Jonathan to cry and call himself a bad person for essentially telling Juelia the truth the first time around: that Joe was there for Samantha?! What did the editors not show us about THAT story???

And Mikey, who has been desperately shopping himself around, going from woman to woman, only to be rebuffed by them all. How much more desperate can someone be willing to look on national TV?

Even Tenley, before she became so popular as to be part of a "romantic square," was lamenting her hard luck love stories: apparently she has been taken for a fool before, doesn't see the warning signs, picks guys who are wrong for her (makes one wonder how much of all that is about her 5-year relationship with Kyptyn).

The paired-up couples, with the exception of Tanner and Jade (who look utterly confident in their relationship) also seem tenuous. I'm thinking Carly will be desolate if she and Kirk part ways. She has also bemoaned her bad luck in love on national TV before.

It just seems as if this season has more than its share of emotionally fragile, desperate people.

Is that viewer's idea of Paradise?

by Guest Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:33 am

Good post! Paradise? Purgatory? More like H-E-double ell. But yeah, I agree with your descriptions of the people in what is billed as a sort of Shangri-La. I have to wonder, are they really all that resilient when their image takes these kinds of beatings, even if they are producer driven? And is the money really worth it in the end?

I'm curious to know how high the tide actually rises when the camera pans to a wide shot of the beach and the huts. Seems like it's right up to the outdoor beds---is that what they're called? Those high evening tides bring in all sorts of creatures, how can that make for a restful night? Those crabs sure like to dance a little side-step, like a certain producer I know.

by **Starz** Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:58 am

Good to see you GM! Great post.
Ditto to Isadora.
Even the resort is NOT my idea of Paradise. Crabs, snakes and huge iguana lizards? Noooo thanks.

by Guest Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:04 am

Ooh yeah! I forgot about the snakes! Some of ones they've shown have those diamond shaped heads that usually signify as venomous. I bet they have to shake their bedsheets and pillowcases out every time before they can rest! Eeeeeeeeeeek!

by **rkc1960** Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:18 am

Very good points you've brought up , Marianna. I've said before that these people have to basically sell their souls to sign up for this nonsense. After doing that then I guess as long as their names stay out there then I can't help but wonder if they really care as long as they are being discussed. They have been ridiculed constantly and they keep coming back for more. What does that say about them?

As to the creepy crawlies, I've been to Mexico many times and I have never seen any of that. I'm sure the crabs are around because they actually show them in the same shot as the contestants. I have seen lizards and iguana's there but they don't bother anyone. They tend to run from you. The snakes....ehh....not sure they are being honest about that. They are leading you to believe that they are all over the place, same as on Survivor. I think maybe the cameramen have gotten shots of them here and there away from the resort area and are wanting us to believe that these contestants are out in the middle of nowhere with all of nature at it's worst.

by **Buckeye Belle** Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:35 am

. . . or Paradise Lost?

Has it occurred to anyone that the snakes might be there for the right reasons? Twisted Evil

by Grammarianna Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:49 pm

IsadoraDuncan wrote:Good post! Paradise? Purgatory? More like H-E-double ell. But yeah, I agree with your descriptions of the people in what is billed as a sort of Shangri-La. I have to wonder, are they really all that resilient when their image takes these kinds of beatings, even if they are producer driven? And is the money really worth it in the end?

I'm curious to know how high the tide actually rises when the camera pans to a wide shot of the beach and the huts. Seems like it's right up to the outdoor beds---is that what they're called? Those high evening tides bring in all sorts of creatures, how can that make for a restful night? Those crabs sure like to dance a little side-step, like a certain producer I know.

Thanks, Isadora!

I too wondered about the waves reaching right up to their outdoor beds. I don't think they sleep on them at night, though -- do they?

One of the participants tweeted that there really WERE all those crabs running around. I think the editors are overdoing it with all those shots of crabs, though. We get it; don't need to be hit on the head with it: STD "crabs," the claws are out, sidestepping issues, etc etc. -- Fleiss must think viewers are slow to catch on, or something.

Also overdone was the return of the raccoon, this time trying to drink wine to drown out Clare's complaining. So obvious that the raccoon was nowhere near Clare, and that she was talking to a producer sitting beside her.

Speaking of producers, I believe this was the first time we actually heard a producer speak to a contestant (the scene where Joe farted loudly and the producer told him to at least close his legs). I had to laugh at the producer telling Joe he should inform Juelia that he was only there for Samantha. Ya, right; if the producers were so concerned about Juelia, why didn't THEY tell her themselves?

by Grammarianna Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:54 pm

Starz wrote:Good to see you GM! Great post.
Ditto to Isadora.
Even the resort is NOT my idea of Paradise. Crabs, snakes and huge iguana lizards? Noooo thanks.

Thanks, Starz. I was out of town for a few days, so missed the Sunday/Monday discussion here.

I think they're focusing a bit too much on the critters. Was that snake even from there, or were the editors just desperate to make a snake comparison with one of the contestants?

I think it was really hot while they were filming -- Juelia, for example, has a perpetually shiny face, and some of the guys have sweat dripping off them and pit stains on their shirts.

My idea of paradise would be a lovely beach with air conditioned sleeping quarters. (Mind you, it's pretty breezy there.)

by **Buckeye Belle** Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:54 pm

If Paradise isn't solving any love problems, why not have a Bachelor Frozen? This could be set in Antarctica instead of the tropics, and would have a built in "conquering our fears" element for everyone. Maybe the need to warm their bodies would lead to warming some hearts as well.

by Grammarianna Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:01 pm

rkc1960 wrote:Very good points you've brought up , Marianna. I've said before that these people have to basically sell their souls to sign up for this nonsense. After doing that then I guess as long as their names stay out there then I can't help but wonder if they really care as long as they are being discussed. They have been ridiculed constantly and they keep coming back for more. What does that say about them?

As to the creepy crawlies, I've been to Mexico many times and I have never seen any of that. I'm sure the crabs are around because they actually show them in the same shot as the contestants. I have seen lizards and iguana's there but they don't bother anyone. They tend to run from you. The snakes....ehh....not sure they are being honest about that. They are leading you to believe that they are all over the place, same as on Survivor. I think maybe the cameramen have gotten shots of them here and there away from the resort area and are wanting us to believe that these contestants are out in the middle of nowhere with all of nature at it's worst.

Thanks, rkc!

Does anyone know how much they get paid per episode of BIP? I'm thinking these contestants have definitely drunk the Koolaid this show dispenses. They are all clinging to the hope that they'll be the next Jason and Molly, Sean and Catherine, etc.

Also, Tenley's comment about how having multiple men wooing her is almost like "being the Bachelorette," tells me that these cast-off contestants secretly harbor hopes of (still!) being chosen as the next lead.

by Grammarianna Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:02 pm

Buckeye Belle wrote:If Paradise isn't solving any love problems, why not have a Bachelor Frozen? This could be set in Antarctica instead of the tropics, and would have a built in "conquering our fears" element for everyone. Maybe the need to warm their bodies would lead to warming some hearts as well.

Lol, that would not surprise me. When the world gets tired of the traditional Bachelor/Ette format, I'm sure Fleiss will come up with a twist (or else someone in his entourage will, and he'll steal the credit, lol).

by **Buckeye Belle** Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:07 pm

Grammarianna wrote:
Buckeye Belle wrote:If Paradise isn't solving any love problems, why not have a Bachelor Frozen? This could be set in Antarctica instead of the tropics, and would have a built in "conquering our fears" element for everyone. Maybe the need to warm their bodies would lead to warming some hearts as well.

Lol, that would not surprise me. When the world gets tired of the traditional Bachelor/Ette format, I'm sure Fleiss will come up with a twist (or else someone in his entourage will, and he'll steal the credit, lol).

At least Chris Harrison would be truthful for once when he says it's the COLDEST season EVER! Laughing

by Guest Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:59 pm

I've only been to Mexico in the winter months. Why, oh why, do they have to subject these people to the intense heat and humidity, when none of them grew up without air conditioning and are just not used to the climate. It is no wonder they are all crabby. LOL.

by Grammarianna Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:03 pm

We used to go every year to Mexico in November, and it was quite hot then. I can only imagine how hot it must be in the late spring/summer.

When did they film BIP? Was it in April? May? June?

by **skt8word** Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:29 am

I thought it was funny how they showed the snakes right before or after Joe was speaking or, rather, acting like a snake. I wonder if the producers dislike him. If one of them told Joe on camera that he should tell Juelia that he's only there for Samantha as someone said, maybe not LOL!

by **Buckeye Belle** Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:50 am

skt8word wrote:I thought it was funny how they showed the snakes right before or after Joe was speaking or, rather, acting like a snake. I wonder if the producers dislike him. If one of them told Joe on camera that he should tell Juelia that he's only there for Samantha as someone said, maybe not

Hi, skt8word! Yeah, those snakes.

Cynical Cynthia says:

I doubt the producers encouraged Joe to say anything noble (as if they cared about Juelia) unless they wanted it to appear to viewers that Joe's behavior was, in fact, his own. I'm gonna believe this whole sub plot is being staged (with Juelia in on it) unless it's proven otherwise.

by **skt8word** Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:28 am

Hi Belle!

Who's Ben? Yeah, I think a producer said that on camera to make it appear to viewers that Joe's behavior was solely of his own doing.... throw him under the bus LOL

I missed that scene actually. Was that where a producer supposedly (supposably ? Giggle

.... would never use that in a formal document) told him to close his legs?

by **Buckeye Belle** Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:07 pm

skt8word wrote:Hi Belle!

Who's Ben? Yeah, I think a producer said that on camera to make it appear to viewers that Joe's behavior was solely of his own doing.... throw him under the bus

I missed that scene actually. Was that where a producer supposedly (supposably ? .... would never use that in a formal document) told him to close his legs?

Oops! Cynical Cynthie must have stayed up too late. (She messes up a lot when she's excited.) I've made the correction, and thanks for not perpetuating her mistake by quoting it! Embarassed

No, I don't think we've yet gone so far as to use bachspeak in formal documents, but you never know. Heck, a lot of formal documents are unintelligible anyway! I'd love to see an authenticated copy of the bach cast contract!

by Guest Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:39 pm

Belle -- This is probably kind of old, but for you I am sure it will make fascinating reading.....if you so choose: http://www.astrochicks.com/archives/the-bachelorette-abc-contestant-contract-for-deannajillian-season/

And here are the "eligibility" rules: https://casting.bachelor.warnerbros.com/web/eligibility.jsp

When you're finished frying your eyeballs on these documents, perhaps you will enlighten us with a summary of the pertinent points.

by **skt8word** Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:07 pm

Buckeye Belle wrote:
. . . Heck, a lot of formal documents are unintelligible anyway! I'd love to see an authenticated copy of the bach cast contract!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha Laughing

At least I think they don't use old language ... "first party of the first part agrees with first party of the second part ..." Laughing

by **skt8word** Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:18 pm

Thank you, newto, for the links!

I didn't read the whole thing, but somehow my eyes strayed towards the bottom regarding "extra money to appear on other shows." I bet that's one of the sections their eyes veer towards first ROFL

I think I read a long time ago that one of the [informal] eligibility rules is that they have to look good in a swimsuit. I'd like to see a list of their informal eligibility rules again just for kicks Laughing

by **rkc1960** Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:24 pm

Wow...they made that pretty ironclad didn't they? Basically they can possibly ruin your life or reputation and there isn't a dang thing you can do about it. These people are nuts to go along with this. Sign on the dotted line and sell your soul.

The eligibility requirements were pretty interesting reading:

1. Longest sentence EVER! LOL

2. Applicants may not presently be a candidate for any type of political office...OMG, if any would be politician EVER wanted to join this show than they ought to be ran out of Dodge!

6. Applicants must be single and not be currently involved in a committed intimate relationship...Wow, they obviously need to screen their applicants better! lol

7. Applicants must never have been convicted of a misdemeanor...ummm, hasn't it already been established that Chris Soules and Jade to name a few have had DUI's?

11. And here's the biggie...Applicant's acknowledge that use or revelation of personal information and recordings may be embarrassing, unfavorable, humiliating and/or derogatory and/or may portray him or her in a FALSE LIGHT....if that isn't admitting to out right lying about people then I don't know what is. And viewers are still falling for the lies. smh

17. Applicant's MAY BE required to undergo psychological examinations and testing...Seems to me that if they exercised this clause more than some of the crazy people wouldn't make it through to the show.

21. Bachelor's and Bachelorette's must agree to live, participate and cooperate with the other individuals during taping of the program. They must be adaptable to various living situations, and must enjoy participating and living in close proximity with others of varied background and experience....Hmmm, isn't this going against how they try to portray these contestants on the show? Isn't the cat fights part of their must have drama?

by **SLA44** Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:33 pm

rkc1960 wrote:Wow...they made that pretty ironclad didn't they? Basically they can possibly ruin your life or reputation and there isn't a dang thing you can do about it. These people are nuts to go along with this. Sign on the dotted line and sell your soul.

The eligibility requirements were pretty interesting reading:

1. Longest sentence EVER! LOL

2. Applicants may not presently be a candidate for any type of political office...OMG, if any would be politician EVER wanted to join this show than they ought to be ran out of Dodge!

6. Applicants must be single and not be currently involved in a committed intimate relationship...Wow, they obviously need to screen their applicants better! lol

7. Applicants must never have been convicted of a misdemeanor...ummm, hasn't it already been established that Chris Soules and Jade to name a few have had DUI's?

11. And here's the biggie...Applicant's acknowledge that use or revelation of personal information and recordings may be embarrassing, unfavorable, humiliating and/or derogatory and/or may portray him or her in a FALSE LIGHT....if that isn't admitting to out right lying about people then I don't know what is. And viewers are still falling for the lies. smh

17. Applicant's MAY BE required to undergo psychological examinations and testing...Seems to me that if they exercised this clause more than some of the crazy people wouldn't make it through to the show.

21. Bachelor's and Bachelorette's must agree to live, participate and cooperate with the other individuals during taping of the program. They must be adaptable to various living situations, and must enjoy participating and living in close proximity with others of varied background and experience....Hmmm, isn't this going against how they try to portray these contestants on the show? Isn't the cat fights part of their must have drama?

Maybe this what they use to put some of the crazies on the show.

by lb0114 Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:17 pm

I agree - I loved the first night of it this season (and most of last season) but it is just dragging now and does seem miserable for most of them...

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