Discussion Episode 11

Josh may have been in the "green room," rkc - unable to hear what was being said onstage.

I agree with what you've said.  I realize the lead must keep the F2 "on the hook" for the finale.  I doubt the producers liked it when she let him go early.  He had the opportunity to question her about sleeping together at that time.  But...I suppose, being blindsided, you don't have those questions on the tip of the tongue.

I don't think Nick meant to reveal the FS.  He was stumbling over words so much, my mind said STHU.  I was truly questioning his mental health and waiting for a gun to appear.  His continued pursuit made me think he's selfish as well as unstable.  How was he not embarrassed to go on tv for his answers?  God only knows the reasons she might have given if not for some well-placed tact.

I haven't liked Andi, as you know.  Still don't.  I'm most angry at CH.  He had an air about him that projected he thought Andi made the wrong choice and he wanted to allow Nick some answers.  What answers?  "What's wrong with me?"  "Why don't you love me?"  Seriously?

This show has become so ruthless that I worry someone is going to do something stupid at the close of one of these seasons.  I may continue to keep in touch with board members, but I think I've had enough of TPTB.

I don't know what the deal is, SLA.  I listened to some of the above videos but I get only a white screen.  H-m-m-p.

I don't have any problem with Andi getting a come-uppance but I didn't think she was cold - just didn't know how to answer him.  She made her choice, and I wish he'd left it at that.

CH wanted this to play out for ratings and it was "to hell with Nick and his feelings."  If he had any regard for him, he would have spared him the further humiliation.  Nick was tongue-tied through most of his speech and, after two months, I don't think he wanted to be there.  He alluded to as much, then stumbled through a disconnected dialogue.

I don't care for either Andi or Josh so I have no interest in the final outcome.  As a matter of fact, I think I watched the entire season out of habit.  Next season, I'll watch something else.

When I heard Nick drop that bomb on national TV, at first I thought I had heard something else.  We've often assumed who has slept with who but I don't believe anyone has actually admitted to it.  I have mixed feelings about saying Nick spilling that tidbit on national TV, yet on the other hand, I thought Andi deserved it to a certain extent.   What I don't understand is how Andi could profess that it was Josh all along and how much she "loves" him and then can have sex with Nick while knowing Josh will be her F1.  WTH did she have sex with him for; especially in light of knowing how devastated he was with his other break-up.  She knew how fragile he is. 

As far as Nick is concerned.....this is a couple months later and he is still this emotionally distraught and not pulled it together.  It was really pathetic watching him.  I think the guy is emotionally unstable and have to wonder if he should have even been on this show.  

Ultimately, these people going on this show know what they have signed on to.  When anyone gets as far as the F3, each and every one of them needs to be mentally prepared for being sent home....no matter how many special things the lead says to them.  They need to remember there are two other contestants that the lead is saying similar things to. 

The only thing I see with Josh and Andi is a "pretty couple".   I think Josh is a dufus and that proposal he gave was so over the top fake I could have puked. 

It seems that each season TPTB seem to take more and more pleasure out of humiliating people.  Glad this season is over.

That's the Jenny Jones' talk show you're referring to above, rkc.  She left the air after the suicide occurred.  Everyone blamed the show.

I think Andi took her "role" in stringing along Nick and the audience over the line and into emotional abuse where he was concerned.  That being said, he exhibited two sides:  The witty and comical with his family (at dinner when the camera person knocked something off the wall) - and a darkly, somewhat disturbing side.  Perhaps both are the real Nick.  Just glad we're done with it.

Thanks for the link, SLA.  I was thinking suicide instead of murder.  Glad it's clear now.  I haven't seen or heard anything of Jenny Jones since it happened.

I, too, am glad this season is over.  There are apparently "heated discussions" in regard to the next Bach by TPTB.  Rumors on the board are Chris and Arie - now joined by a possible Nick.  None of them interest me.  It would take someone like Reid, Ames or Mickey the butcher (Brian?) to make me tune in.  Certainly, not anyone in the running.  They just keep stooping lower and lower with their story spins and the chinks they dig at.

I'd be happy to see a fresh face.  Just wonder if I'm so jaded at this point, I'd still be looking for plot twists and deceptive scripts.

There are rumors that Nick's appearances are in the line of a promotional tour for his being the next Bach.

Andi said in the interview that the confrontation with Nick would always have been in front of the cameras.  It explains a lot.  I wish the producers had allowed it earlier and left the footage on the floor.  Why ruin a happy outcome to the show?

Just a quick add-on to my previous post, I just watched the video's to Nick's appearance on GMA and ET and he made it clear that it didn't just slip out of his mouth. He wished he had said it in a different manor but he said he was taken aback by Andi's demeanor and that's why he said it. So basically he was pissed by how she was acting and what she was saying and that's why he dropped the bomb.