I think Joe and Samantha had already been talking

They are WAY too familiar with each other - it seems like they are trying to act like they don't know each other at all...I bet they have communicated before the show.

Joe said they had communicated on SM and texts for about a month, IIRC.

So they used BIP for a paid vacation.

singlyme wrote:So they used BIP for a paid vacation.

and sex.. lol  pretty sure they were doing it in that hot tub..

Yes of course they did because Joe did admit that they both texted messaged each other but only about "Who is going to be on the show" BS which i don't find that to be true. I think Joe and Samantha were secretly interested in each other and probably talked about meeting and being with each other on the show. I mean once Joe got on the show all he talked about was Sam and she wasn't on the show yet, and Sam told Chris Harrison that she was hoping Joe was there. These two did talk before and i am pretty sure it had nothing to do with who was going to be on the show it had to be more then that. I also think Joe would have kept on using Juelia for as long as he could until Samantha arrived on the show. If let's say Samantha did get on the show this episode or the next he would still use Juelia until she arrived.

I'm glad they showed Samantha and Joe scheming when they thought the cameras weren't capturing their conversation about what Joe should say (at least before she so patently hid from the cameras and then shut the door) ... glad they didn't edit that out.  Samantha's so deceitful, and Joe is utterly despicable.  He doesn't have a conscience.

It's beginning to look like Samantha is the brains of this outfit.  They're both people I wouldn't trust around loose knives.

Considering how quickly Joe was "compensated," it appears they had some hot and heavy communication before their planned union.

Disgusting couple.  It looks as if her betrayal is in Joe's future.  Can't say it doesn't make me smile.  However, I hope Samantha reaps her karma, as well.

Oh they definitely were a couple or something before the show started.  The thing is - why not just meet outside the show?  Why come on the show?  I think Samantha wants to be famous -hence the show, the People date, etc.  It is pretty silly and the thing is, Joe didn't have to become a villain, he could have handled things WAY differently if he came on the show for one person.  He just has absolutely no skills or morals.  And I might add I don't think he has any type of personality either.  Why do people even like this guy? 

Samantha is just someone who wants to look perfect all the time and become famous.  She has the fake smile and fake laugh and the fake tossing of the hair.

I still think Samantha is deceitful.  Something I thought was weird, though, was that Samantha was the one who invited, asked Juelia if they should go somewhere to talk.  That was at the end part of Sunday's episode.  Then at the beginning of Monday's episode, Juelia explained the situation, in a calm manner, and suddenly Samantha doesn't think it's appropriate for them to talk without Joe there.  Well, Samantha was the one who invited Juelia to go talk somewhere without Joe there.  

Then, Samantha proceeds to say that people, probably referring to Juelia, will be more honest when everyone's there and could "make up" stories otherwise.  Then, Samantha basically she's "on cloud nine" and basically can't see or think about what Juelia was talking about ... (and undoubtedly doesn't care about her (former) friend).

Was she like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde or just wanting to rub it in Juelia's face?  I still think Samantha is deceitful and callous.  And it seems she was the one telling Joe what to do all along.  He didn't think she was in his league, and she got him wrapped around her finger.  

But it looks like Samantha have Joe broken up now, from their After Paradise tweets, and that Samantha still likes Joe and that Joe is still callous but now towards Samantha.  

I think karma has bitten at least one of them.

Ha! Joe is not a nice person so I'm sure he's bitter and angry toward Sam. She was really messed up with the juelia conversation. I agree 100%. She only cared about connecting with Joe. Hope he gets a lot of flack about his behavior.