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Post by SLA44 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:38 am

Grace I didn't like the way they did Chris' hometown date either.  The ball field scene to me was straight out of Ali/Roberto's hometown date - another repeat.  Since his hometown is in Wine Country I was disappointed they didn't tour a winery as part of the date. That procedure his father did on Chris was to gross the viewers out and it succeeded.  So Chris' family was picked out of the bunch this time to make fun of like Sean's was during Emily's season.  Sean had said in a post season interview that the pranks were TPTB's idea and though they did not like them they went along with them.  I think it was the same with Chris' dad.


I actually thought Zak's hometown date was the best of all of them.  I loved his family and they seemed like a family you would be comfortable spending time with.  Drew's hometown date just made me uncomfortable all the way around with what they showed of it.  The trailer at the end of the show showed a much better date than what they aired during that segment of the show IMO.  It seemed to me that Brooks date got the most air time and I was not impressed with it at all.  His brothers rushing her and giving a group hug was ridiculous and his mother seemed to be pushing it over the top to me and her necklace seemed to take her over wasn't something I would want to wear.  Brooks just seems to mumble too much to me. 



Grace the reason his dad wasn't in the picture is because his parents are divorced and I don't believe there are good feelings within the family where that is concerned.  I can't remember real well but I think he told Des that after not seeing his father for years he was working on building a relation with him again but I could be wrong.  Since I don't care for Brooks I don't really zone in on everything he says or mumbles.
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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:05 pm

So that is probably the explanation as to why Chris' HTD seemed somewhat off. It was kinda like Sean's. Both families nice, but something just isn't right. I thought the whole chiropractic scene was funny and couldn't figure out why they would include that but I agree, it had to be MF idea. I was wondering about Chris' mother as well, but she did seem to come around in the end. Maybe she was nervous about all of it and did get a little tipsy??

Loved Zak's date. I actually thought it was on of the best dates I've seen on this show. Did not care for Drew's date at all. As far as Brooks, he appears to be just "there". It's almost as if he is kind of lost in what everyone around him is doing or saying and can't make up his own mind. I certainly see no chemistry between them. But I also think he is an odd duck. Des says they "get" each other. Really....I haven't seen that at all.

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Post by singlyme on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:13 pm

Nor have I, rein.  It seemed like he was asking his family to make up his mind for him.

And I agree with all of you that Zak's HTD was the best.  The nose adjustment on Chris was gross and his family seemed more reserved.  Drew's mom just had a sad look about her.

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Post by gin1972 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:29 pm

I loved Zax family and they would be a lot of fun. I do not know why MF loves to distort things. He will be one to cause this show to get cancelled. IMHO

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:55 pm

singlyme wrote:Nor have I, rein.  It seemed like he was asking his family to make up his mind for him.

And I agree with all of you that Zak's HTD was the best.  The nose adjustment on Chris was gross and his family seemed more reserved.  Drew's mom just had a sad look about her.

I agree with you Singly. I think Drew's mother has had a very trying life. His family seems nice, but they have had a lot of heartache and if/when Des does not choose him, they will take it very badly. I believe that any woman who would marry Drew would really have to be prepared to be married to his family; more so other families. I think Drew feels a very strong commitment to his family and I can't imagine him ever moving away for any reason, even a wife. To this day, I don't really know what Drew wants. What I THINK he wants is Des to love him and his family, get married and have children. I understand the emotional commitment he has to his family, but he has never really spread his wings to discover who he really is. That is not entirely his fault because his family circumstances did not really allow that to happen. I get the feeling that Des is the first woman he has had strong feelings for. He seems almost too desperate. The woman Drew marries will have to be a special type person and I just don't see Des being the one. Maybe in the bach bubble she is, but not in real life.

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Post by BlueMoon on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:12 pm

Zak's HTD was the best of the three.  His family also seems like such a warm, welcoming, easy-going one!  I was so sorry to see him go last night.(: 

The nose episode on Chris's HTD was simply gross.

I think, too, that whoever marries Drew is going to marry his family, too, and I don't think that is what Des is looking for.  I don't think she wants or is ready for that type of a commitment.

Did anyone notice how close she was sitting to Brooks when they were at the dinner table?  While she was sitting beside her dates at all of the other HTD, it just seemed like she was sitting closer to Brooks.  Brooks is not feeling what she's feeling, for whatever reason, and I think she is going to get hurt if she keeps setting her sights on him.  I think he needs to let her know that he is more unsure than he letting on.

Has there been a preview of the final get-down-on-your-knee scenes?  I'm not remembering one.  Could it be that Des lands up with no one on the show?  Is that why she's so upset in the upcoming preview they showed on this last episode?

Loved Des's dress at the FRC last night!Smile  I thought the brother was going to sabotage it since they showed him peeking around the corner.  She said she hadn't seen him since the last season's show, and she really seemed kind of uncomfortable sitting there with him, so I don't think they're close at all.  I think it's the producers who wanted him there this season for some more drama.
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Post by grace8136 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:59 pm

sdreindeer wrote:Maybe she was nervous about all of it and did get a little tipsy??

Yes, tipsy a better word. She seemed overly emotional in some of the scenes.

SLA44 wrote:The ball field scene to me was straight out of Ali/Roberto's hometown date - another repeat.  Since his hometown is in Wine Country I was disappointed they didn't tour a winery as part of the date.

I liked the baseball portion much better than the family portion, but a winery date would have been nice, so we could see a little of the scenery.

I liked Zak's family and would feel most comfortable there.
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Post by rkc1960 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:45 pm

I was sad to see Zak go as well but I have a feeling that he isn't going to have any trouble whatsoever finding a girl after this. They didn't know he was there before but now they see him all buff and fun loving....I just hope he picks someone outside of the Bach family. I just think it's sort of creepy that they all seem to want to date amongst themselves. Weird.

Drew is way to over the moon about Des and he is going to be crushed as I think his whole family will be. I never think it is a good idea for these final 4 contestants to over sell their relationship with the lead to their families. It actually kind of makes them sound ridiculous because it's usually the ones that don't end up being the F1. What Des keeps saying she wants in a man Drew doesn't seem to be at all. He doesn't seem very adventurous. He seems more of a homebody and someone who would never stray too far from the family. I'm getting the impression that he has never really had a serious relationship and I think that's why he fell so hard so fast. He'll probably be the next one to go.

I lost the ability to watch Chris' HD as soon as his father started playing doctor...ugh...

Brooks is so not into Des the way she is into him. I also thought it pretty telling when he mentioned that when he's not with her that he forgets. Des is really expecting a proposal at the end of this and if she chooses Brooks and even if he were to propose I don't see it lasting very long at all.

I also don't know why they chose to have the MTA one week early. Is it to throw us off what seems inevitable that she chooses Brooks? What's with the meltdowns that we keep seeing in previews? Also that Des cries that she wants to go home? Does that have something to do with the schedule change? Someone brought up earlier exactly what I have been wondering....why are we not seeing previews of the final rose ceremony? Does she send the F2 home early and there is no film footage that wouldn't give it away? Or does she end up alone in the end? When they show her walking away crying on a date she is wearing the same clothes that she is on Brooks date. They are showing him having some sort of breakdown. They show Drew looking like he's going to walk away from the show. They show Chris dressed in a suit in a car driving away crying. What the heck does it all mean or is it just fancy footwork by TPTB? Looks like their getting desperate.  
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Post by BlueMoon on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:40 pm

I'm beginning to think that the MTA is early because Des is left alone at the end.  If that happens, won't that be a first?  We always see the preview of the bachelorette standing somewhere scenic waiting to be proposed to.  I haven't seen any of that this time.   

Plus, isn't there usually three more episodes?  I thought there was always another episode after the fantasy dates and where they meet her family.
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Post by grace8136 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:03 am

BlueMoon wrote:I'm beginning to think that the MTA is early because Des is left alone at the end.  If that happens, won't that be a first?  We always see the preview of the bachelorette standing somewhere scenic waiting to be proposed to.  I haven't seen any of that this time.   

Plus, isn't there usually three more episodes?  I thought there was always another episode after the fantasy dates and where they meet her family.

There has to be a reason the MTA is moved. To me the only explanation is the F3 leaves, but comes back therefore he can't be there to talk about the ending yet. Could be Drew or Brooks IMO.
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Post by gin1972 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:29 am

I know each of us have or had an idea what we want in a mate. We also know what we don't want. I have tried to keep an open mind about the men. But I am totally confused what she sees in Brooks. He looks like he is going through the emotions with her.I am not saying he is a bad person. He reminds me the type that is set in his ways. I might be wrong I can not see him making her and the relationship his top priority. He also does not seem the type to stop and smell the roses. It would surprise me if he does not break her heart.

Chris would make sure she is loved and happy and would cater to her.

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Post by singlyme on Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am

It hadn't occurred to me that there were no previews for the FRC.  But you have a point.  !?!?!?!?  What's up with this?  That would mean the substance may hit the fan the week after MTA, right?  I'll admit I'm intrigued by the mystery of it.  However, I'll be much more impressed if I'm not being bamboozled by false advertising.  LOL.

As for the similarity between Des/Chris and Aly/Roberto's baseball date, a trip to a winery would have been too much like Ben's season.

You know, as I was reading a few descriptions of why Drew is NOT a good fit for Des, it struck me that back in my day, he was just the kind of guy one looked for.  Family-oriented, responsible, good-looking.  Back in those days of yore and ancient/passe ideas, one looked for a man who shared family values, and often, religious compatibility was a factor.  Consider the difference between those days and now.  No wonder so many marriages fail.

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Post by rkc1960 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:09 am

It's true what you say about what people used to look for in a mate. Des seems to like fun and adventure and that's what she keeps referring to in a mate. I'm sure she still wants someone that want's to get married and have a family but she doesn't seem to mention those things first when she give a description of what she wants. Drew just seems almost too sweet and a bit naive. I don't see Des wanting someone like that. Mainly what she says about him is superficial stuff like how good looking he is, great body, kisses the best....is that what has mainly been holding her to him? She doesn't seem to talk about much else where he's concerned....
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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:57 am

Isn't it possible that Drew is getting the "physical" edit? There's no way, IMHO, that type of edit applies to Chris. In my wild dreams I wonder if Des ends up with Drew, will he let her run her fingers through his hair? Hmmm.

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gin1972 wrote:I know each of us have or had an idea what we want in a mate. We also know what we don't want. I have tried to keep an open mind about the men. But I am totally confused what she sees in Brooks. He looks like he is going through the emotions with her.I am  not saying he is a bad person. He reminds me the type  that is set in his ways. I might be wrong I can not see him making her and the relationship his top priority. He also does not seem the type to stop and smell the roses. It would surprise me if he does not break her heart.

Chris would make sure she is loved and happy and would  cater to her.

I agree newto. He is so detached from her I just can't figure it out. At this point in his life anyway, it appears that Brooks is all about Brooks. I do not believe he came on this show to find a spouse. He is probably a bit confused now that he has actually made it to the final four.....quite a predicament for him if that is not what he wanted.

Singly, I still think women, or at least some women, do still look for those qualities in a man. However, as devoted Drew is to his family, he appears to be very needy himself. Since the only thing the show has emphasized about Drew is his family, it makes me wonder what he has done for himself. He doesn't appear to have very much joy within him and I think a person like that would be emotionally draining. For some women he may be the perfect mate. I just don't see Des being that person.

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Post by gin1972 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:42 pm

I can understand where Drew is coming from. He is the baby of the family and I am sure he did not get a lot of attention. He is luck his dad turned his life around. My dad could not and he killed himself. Drew's mom has gone down an extreme rough road. She had no support from Drew's dad. She had to do it all and she was alone even if Drew's dad was still married to her. She had to raise all the children alone take care of his handicap sister. Drew grew up helping his sister cause he saw what his mom was having to handle. Drew might think he has to be there to help and he will have to take over when he his mom no longer can help her daughter. He had to grow up fast cause of dad. It is very stressful living with a drunk cause you do not know what might set them off. He is going to have to look for someone who knows what it is like to have someone who is handicap or someone that has or is the medical field. His brother and sister might not live that close. It takes a big adjustment on his sister if she has to move. This also might be the first time that Drew has been away from home and totally on his on and got so caught up in the process and thinks he loves Des, but he might not be in love with her. How many people get hurt on the show and they bounce back faster then we thought it should.

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Post by SLA44 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:12 pm

Gin his mother is remarried.  Since it was not mentioned when she remarried the viewers don't know how long she had to take care of those children on her own or how long that rough road lasted.  This show seems to love to play up the sad stories and embellish on them.  I think Drew is in love with the idea of being in love.  I think in certain areas he is emotionally immature (IMO).
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Post by gin1972 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:35 pm

Yes, Drew is immature and I think that has to do with him not being on his own and learning to fly. Yes Drew's mom has remarried but he talked about his dad and the anger his dad had a temper rage hitting the walls and throwing things while on one hid rages. So from that he has seen what they all went through. I can tell you it is rough going through that. I would not be surprised if he did not have a lot of attention when he was little. Just from the way he acts and some of his thinking.

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Post by BlueMoon on Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:46 pm

gin1972 wrote:I know each of us have or had an idea what we want in a mate. We also know what we don't want. I have tried to keep an open mind about the men. But I am totally confused what she sees in Brooks. He looks like he is going through the emotions with her.I am  not saying he is a bad person. He reminds me the type  that is set in his ways. I might be wrong I can not see him making her and the relationship his top priority. He also does not seem the type to stop and smell the roses. It would surprise me if he does not break her heart.

Chris would make sure she is loved and happy and would  cater to her.

 Gin, At this point in time, I think Chris is her best bet, too.  Brooks definitely looks like his heart is not in a relationship with Des - or anyone right now, for that matter.
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Post by BlueMoon on Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:51 pm

singlyme wrote:It hadn't occurred to me that there were no previews for the FRC.  But you have a point.  !?!?!?!?  What's up with this?  That would mean the substance may hit the fan the week after MTA, right?  I'll admit I'm intrigued by the mystery of it.  However, I'll be much more impressed if I'm not being bamboozled by false advertising.  LOL.

As for the similarity between Des/Chris and Aly/Roberto's baseball date, a trip to a winery would have been too much like Ben's season.

You know, as I was reading a few descriptions of why Drew is NOT a good fit for Des, it struck me that back in my day, he was just the kind of guy one looked for.  Family-oriented, responsible, good-looking.  Back in those days of yore and ancient/passe ideas, one looked for a man who shared family values, and often, religious compatibility was a factor.  Consider the difference between those days and now.  No wonder so many marriages fail.
I can't remember exactly where Chris's hometown of McMinnville actually is, but there are lots of things to do in Oregon besides visiting wineries.  There are beaches and mountains and lakes, just to name a few things.

As far as differences in what people are looking for in a marriage today versus the past, you bring up some good points.  Although Des comes from a small family, I really don't think she would feel comfortable in a large family like Drew's.  Drew's dad also indirectly brought up the subject of religion with Des when he asked if she believed in angels, and then told her that Drew's sister was an angel.
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Post by BlueMoon on Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:54 pm

rkc1960 wrote:It's true what you say about what people used to look for in a mate. Des seems to like fun and adventure and that's what she keeps referring to in a mate. I'm sure she still wants someone that want's to get married and have a family but she doesn't seem to mention those things first when she give a description of what she wants. Drew just seems almost too sweet and a bit naive. I don't see Des wanting someone like that. Mainly what she says about him is superficial stuff like how good looking he is, great body, kisses the best....is that what has mainly been holding her to him? She doesn't seem to talk about much else where he's concerned....

 I'm just really "talkative" today!Smile  I think Des's relationship with Drew is more physical than with the other guys.  It's not only her comment about kissing him, but did you notice that when she met him for the home town date, they held onto each other longer than she did with the others?
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Post by BlueMoon on Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:56 pm

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gin1972 wrote:I know each of us have or had an idea what we want in a mate. We also know what we don't want. I have tried to keep an open mind about the men. But I am totally confused what she sees in Brooks. He looks like he is going through the emotions with her.I am  not saying he is a bad person. He reminds me the type  that is set in his ways. I might be wrong I can not see him making her and the relationship his top priority. He also does not seem the type to stop and smell the roses. It would surprise me if he does not break her heart.

Chris would make sure she is loved and happy and would  cater to her.

I agree newto.  He is so detached from her I just can't figure it out.  At this point in his life anyway, it appears that Brooks is all about Brooks.  I do not believe he came on this show to find a spouse.  He is probably a bit confused now that he has actually made it to the final four.....quite a predicament for him if that is not what he wanted.

Singly, I still think women, or at least some women, do still look for those qualities in a man.  However, as devoted Drew is to his family, he appears to be very needy himself.  Since the only thing the show has emphasized about Drew is his family, it makes me wonder what he has done for himself.  He doesn't appear to have very much joy within him and I think a person like that would be emotionally draining.   For some women he may be the perfect mate.  I just don't see Des being that person.  
I wonder what Drew has done for himself, too.  He strikes me as the type who hasn't ventured far from home - not that there's anything wrong with that.  I'm just in favor of making sure a person is ready to settle down before they actually do.
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Post by BlueMoon on Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:59 pm

gin1972 wrote:I can understand where Drew is coming from. He is the baby of the family and I am sure he did not get a lot of attention. He is luck his dad turned his life around. My dad could not and he killed himself. Drew's mom has gone down an extreme rough road. She had no support from Drew's dad. She had to do it all and she was alone even if Drew's dad was still married to her. She had to raise all the children alone take care of his handicap sister. Drew grew up helping his sister cause he saw what his mom was having to handle. Drew might think he has to be there to help and he will have to take over when he his mom no longer can help her daughter. He had to grow up fast cause of dad. It is very stressful living with a drunk cause you do not know what might set them off. He is going to have to look for someone who knows what it is like to have someone who is handicap or someone that has or is the medical field. His brother and sister  might not live that close. It takes a big adjustment on his sister if she has to move. This also might be the first time that Drew has been away from home and totally on his on and got so caught up in the process and thinks he loves Des, but he might not be in love with her. How many people get hurt on the show and they bounce back faster then we thought it should.

 As far as Drew's sister goes, (and I don't mean to sound unkind or anything) it looks to me like she's being taken care of by other people.  While I agree it would be difficult if Drew was not located where she could see him every day - or almost every day, it's doesn't appear that the family is actually taking care of her on a daily basis.  I would be concerned about having a good job with some insurance benefits so that I could contribute to the cost of her care.  Drew might also be concerned about whether a child of his might have what his sister has.
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Post by gin1972 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:31 pm

Yes, Drew sister is being taking care of. That has probably not been the case. I am sure when she was younger I doubt that they had a home like that for her. These type of homes have only come available in the last 10 years. Before that there were state homes and the way they were ran was a disgrace to anyone. I remember after my sister's accident my parents looked into some and one I was crying I said no she can not come her and my dad told me not to worry that we will take card of her. Not everyone is able to do that and nit everyone is able to afford one of these homes.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:36 pm

Is anyone about ready to give up on this convoluted drama? I feel like I am choking on all the twists. Will be tickled when this season is over; much too much drama, much too little entertainment, and IMHO nothing to hang on to.

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